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Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)Originally compiled by David SchuetzCurrently maintained by Matt Denault ([email protected]) [+] 01. "Problems with the _Final Cut_ CD." [-] 02. "What do the colored stripes on the TFC cover represent?" [+] 03. "There's a lyric on _The Final Cut_ which isn't sung!" [-] 04. "What's all this about poppies?" [+] 05. "What are Holophonics and QSound?"
[+] 05.2 "QSound" [-] 07. "When and why did Waters leave Pink Floyd?" [-] 08. "I heard an extra verse to 'Running Shoes' in concert!" [-] 09. "Who or what is/was Fassbinder?" [+] 10. "Why is Yoko Ono mentioned in 'Pros and Cons'?" [-] 11. "Differences between the US & UK _Pros and Cons_ Lyrics Sheets" [+] 12. "What does the morse code on _Radio KAOS_ say?" [-] 13. "What is the 'Lost Verse' to 'The Tide is Turning'?" [-] 14. "What is said at the very beginning/end of _Radio KAOS_?" [-] 15. "Who is having that pilot/tower conversation in 'Learning to Fly'?" [+] 16. "Wasn't there talk of a KAOS 2?" [*] 17. "Weren't there a lot of problems at the _Wall in Berlin_ concert?" [-] 18. "Who were Alf Razzell and Bill Hubbard?" [+] 19. "What's the backwards message in 'Perfect Sense' say?" [-] 20. "What do the Arabic words in 'Late Home Tonight' mean?" [+] 21. "Why does Waters hate Andrew Lloyd Webber?" [-] 22. "What does the title 'Amused to Death' refer to?" - Same as last version + Changed since last version * New since last version This Document Copyright 1994, 1995 by the Echoes Mailing List For questions on distribution, contact: [email protected] [+] 01. "Problems with the _Final Cut_ CD." There have been several reported problems with the CD of TFC, all of which deal with where the title track begins. The three versions we've been able to isolate have the following "features": + "The Final Cut" begins 3/4 the way through "Southampton Dock." + "The Final Cut" starts before he finishes with "...cut" at the end of "Southampton Dock." (CBS, EMI remaster) + "The Final Cut" begins during the words "through the fish eyed lens.." (Harvest) [-] 02. "What do the colored stripes on the TFC cover represent?" For finally tracking down the solution to this vexing problem, we are forever in the debt of Scott Plumer. They're all WWII service medals: + The one on the bottom right, yellow-green background with black and red stripes, is a Defence Medal, for 3 years service. + The middle one with a gold background and black, red and blue stripes is an Africa Star, for service in the North African campaign. + The leftmost one, blue with a red stripe, is a 1939/45 Star, for at least 6 months service between 1939 and 1945. + The one with purple and white diagonal stripes is the Distinguished Flying Cross, "for acts of courage, valour or devotion to duty while flying." For officers. [+] 03. "There's a lyric on _The Final Cut_ which isn't sung!" There are actually two cases of this -- one which seems unintentional, and the other purposeful. The unintentional printed-but-not-sung lyric occurs on "Your Possible Pasts," where there is the following stanza: By the cold and religious we were taken in hand Shown how to feel good and told to feel bad. > Tongue tied and terrified we learned how to pray > Now our feelings run deep and cold as the clay. And strung out behind us the banners and flags Of our possible pasts lie in tatters and rags. The two lines with ">" on them were included in the printed lyrics but not sung on the album. There's also a line near the beginning of the song, "The Final Cut": If you negotiate the minefield in the drive And beat the dogs and cheat the cold electronic eyes And if you make it past the shotgun in the hall Dial the combination Open the priesthole > And if I'm in I'll tell you what's behind the wall What often gets mentioned is that an explosion, as from a gunshot, covers up everything after "...I'll tell you..." in the last line. Which makes sense; you (the listener) never "make it past the shotgun in the hall." But if the full line hadn't been included in the written lyrics, you wouldknow what you're missing... [-] 04. "What's all this about poppies?" [With help from Steve South:] During the First World War, the fields of Flanders were dug over. Not by farmers, but by trench digging, shell and mortar fire, etc. Now it is a curious thing, but the seeds of the red poppies found in Europe can lay in the ground for years without germinating, and then grow after the ground has been disturbed. Consequently, sometime after the battles, the sites of devastation were transformed into a blaze of colour. The poppy has become a symbol of that time. Every November, when Americans celebrate Veterans Day, the British have Rememberance Day. Poppy wreaths are laid at the memorial to the Unknown Soldier, etc. A national charity collects money for vetarans by selling artificial poppies -- wearing a poppy shows that you remember and that you gave. The same thing happens in the US, for Memorial Day. It does also have something to do with morphine. Poppies are also a symbol of relief from life's pain, and have been since long before WWI. [...and more, from Helen Bransfield:] IN FLANDERS FIELDS by John McCrae In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place: and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved, and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die WE SHALL NOT SLEEP, THOUGH POPPIES GROW IN FLANDERS FIELDS. [+] 05. "What are Holophonics and QSound?" Pink Floyd's _The Final Cut_ made use of a special encoding process that allows the simulation of "three-dimensional" sound, called "holophonics." This was also adopted by Roger Waters for his _Pro's and Cons_ album; while on _Amused to Death_, he used a somewhat similar mixing process called QSound, also used on _Pulse_. Both systems are explained below... [-] 05.1 "Holophonics" [From a posting by David Schuetz:] > By the way, has anybody really noticed the "huge improvement" in sound > staging produced by Mr Zuccarelli and his labs? If so, explain what's > so special. I noticed it. It really does give a certain amout of imaging, around you rather than just between the speakers. When Waters did his Pros & Cons show on the radio in 1985, he did an introduction where he walked to a timpani, struck it with his fingernail, and then said "If I ask you to point where that timpani came from, [here I pointed over my right shoulder] and if you don't point over your right shoulder, then we're in trouble." It was impressive. As for just what it *is*, they were *very* secretive. They had "ringo the holophonic microphone." The process was based on holography, but of an audio form (you can do holography with *any* wave-based phenomena). The theory was that there were high frequencies generated by the ear (and some people have been shown to "generate" some frequencies from time to time), and that sounds interfere with these frequencies, and the interference pattern is what we interpret. So, what holophonics is is a conversion of sounds directly to that interference pattern. Now, the fact that this sounds like a crock is immaterial, because it does work. So, just what is it? Most (including myself) believe it's just a form of binaural recording. That "ringo" is probably just a dummy head with microphones where the ears are. And when you listen with headphones, your ears are right where those microphones were, and you hear it as if you were actually there. Binaural is *fantastic* fun, and I wish more people would work with it. It's a shame, though, that Floyd/Waters got duped into believing that Zuccareli's process was anything special.... [+] 05.2 "QSound" Roger's _Amused to Death_, the Floyd's _Pulse_, and a number of albums from other artists use the QSound mixing system. It essentially allows sound to be positioned anywhere within a half-sphere around the listener. Roger himself explains how it works in the following interview (from Rockline, Feb. 8, 1993): It divides any signal into a left and right component...(so it works with any stereo system), and it introduces minute delays at different frequency levels into left and right components to make your brain think that the sound is coming, not from in front of you -- from the two speakers -- but from in any one of a number of other positions around you. But you have to be sitting right between the two speakers, I mean exactly -- to within like an inch or an inch and a half [on] either side of the central perpendicular axis. And it is an amazing effect... [-] 06. "What was 'The Hero's Return part II'?" The single for "Not Now John" (obscured) came with the album version of "The Hero's Return" and what was basically an additional verse to the song, called "The Hero's Return part II." The lyrics go something like: Jesus Christ, I might as well be dead If I can't see how dangerous it must feel to be Training human cogs for the machine Without some shell-shocked lunatic like me Bombarding their still soft shores With sticks and stones that were lying around In the pile of unspeakable feelings I'd found When I turned back the stone Turned over the stone Of my own disappointment back home [-] 07. "When and why did Waters leave Pink Floyd?" The following is taken mainly from Schaffner's "Saucerful of Secrets" book, with additional pieces and support from other books, interviews, and articles. -=- 1983 During and after the recording of _The Final Cut_, it was pretty clear that there was no way that Dave and Roger were going to record together again. The artistic and personal differences between the two had just grown too strong. Whether this meant that Pink Floyd was dead or not is an open question -- suffice to say that Floyd was certainly not going to continue with the same membership. But there was never an offical statement disbanding the group or stating its future intentions; both Dave and Roger left the door open for future projects. 1984 So following TFC's release, Roger went off and did his "might have been Floyd" album, _The Pros n'Cons of HitchHiking_, while Dave worked on his own solo album, _About Face_. Both were released in '84, and both went to about #30 on the Billboard charts. At the time, Dave said "there are three of us in what is laughingly called the Pink Floyd, and none of us have any plans at the moment to work together on any project." [The three being Rog, Dave, and Nick.] Both Gilmour and Waters embarked on world tours, neither of which were terribly financially successful. Dave stated "I've made this record and done this tour to see if it was possible for me to continue without Pink Floyd." 1985 Roger continued touring in 1985, while Dave devoted his energies to working on projects for and with other musicians. In mid-85, Waters decided to terminate his personal management deal with Steve O'Rourke, who was pressuring him to make another Floyd album. Since Steve was Pink Floyd's manager, and since Floyd had not been officially disbanded, Roger was still contractually obligated to him. In order to terminate this deal, he needed the assent of Dave and Nick, the other parties to the deal. In return, he offered them the rights to the Pink Floyd name (later saying he did so without making the ethical considerations he should have). At any rate, Dave and Nick would not ratify O'Rourke's termination. Roger then decided the way to get around this was to simply leave the group officially, as he had unofficially, thinking it was dead -- or at least, that it certainly would be without him. So, in December 1985, Roger wrote to the record companies and announced his departure from Pink Floyd. Also, in autumn of 1985, Mason said that he'd like to tour again as Pink Floyd, stating that he and Dave were "interested in revitalizing [Pink Floyd]...We definitely haven't agreed it's all over." 1986 So then Roger did the (fairly rare) _When the Wind Blows_ soundtrack, and started work on _Radio KAOS_. Gilmour meanwhile started work on a project he said publicly might either be a Floyd album or a solo album. In mid-1986, Steve O'Rourke sued Waters for holding back commissions. If nothing else, this certainly did nothing to brighten Waters' feelings toward the remaining Floyd members (with whom Steve was still associated). Gilmour, working with Mason, Wright, Bob Ezrin, and a variety of others had decided by this time that what they were working on was indeed to be a new Floyd album. Learning of this work-in-progress, Roger went to the High Court on Halloween (October 31st) 1986 to have the group partnership, and thus the group, formally disbanded. Several days later, on November 11, 1986, Pink Floyd (that being Gilmour and Mason, "with Rick Wright and producer Bob Ezrin") publicly announced they were working on a new album. Upon finding out that the group partnership was in fact unofficial (and thus that disbanding it would be meaningless), Roger asked the Court for a ruling that would make the unanimous consent of all members (including Roger) necessary for any decision regarding Pink Floyd Music, including use of the name, concert props (like Mr. Screen), etc. The court never actually ruled on the issue, and meanwhile _Momentary Lapse of Reason_ was released. Roger raised a lot of public hell, but privately his lawyers told him he didn't really have a case, and so he settled for a compromise: Dave and Pink Floyd agreed to give Roger sole jurisdiction over the _Wall_ theatrical concept, and of course to pay royalties for those songs they played that Roger had been credited on. And while Floyd retained the use of the circular screen and other (non-_Wall_) concert elements, they were forced to give Roger credit for the "original pig concept" used in "One of These Days..." [see Q31.I] And I think that's about it... I ignored several issues (Ezrin and Wright's involvement, "the record company meeting," etc.) that I don't think are legally relevent -- info on them can be found in the articles and interviews at ftp.halcyon.com. The degree to which they're morally relevent, and the question of whether reviving Pink Floyd was "good," are matters I leave to your judgement... [-] 08. "I heard an extra verse to 'Running Shoes' in concert!" Well, it's not on the album, and since RoIO's aren't always all that great, it's hard to be sure exactly what the lyrics were. But here's a pretty close approximation: Ooh Babe, where ya been? You bring back the feeling The flavor of damp teenage skin And hot afternoons by the river Spent crushing the clover I said "Lie down, roll over I wanna go back there again" Oh baby, sweet Fassbinder lady Ooh, where ya been? Also, during several shows after "Sexual Revolution" they did an additional bit, mainly the line "let's go to the country" repeated several times. [-] 09. "Who or what is/was Fassbinder?" Fixed on the front of her Fassbinder face Was the kind of a smile That only a rather dull child could have drawn While attempting a graveyard in the moonlight Fassbinder is a German playwright and filmmaker. He's been called "artsy," "grim," and "simplified." The line could refer to the kind of leading lady that he'd use in a movie, or perhaps it means "grim" or "mournful." [+] 10. "Why is Yoko Ono mentioned in 'Pros and Cons'?" Said Roger Waters: Some of the ideas have come from my own dreams and also there are bits and pieces of other people's dreams. In fact, the third verse of the album's title track talks about standing on the wing of an aeroplane, looking down at the Eastern Seaboard of the United States and Yoko Ono being there, and telling me to jump; that everybody's got to die some time and the manly thing to do is to end it all now. That dream belongs to Andy Newmark, the drummer. He came in one day and over lunch in the pub he told me about this dream and I thought, "That's a good dream, I'll try and fit that in somewhere." So I did. [-] 11. "Differences between the US & UK _Pros and Cons_ Lyrics Sheets" There are some differences between the respective lyrics sheets. For one thing, the British version has the characters who say each bit listed, but the CBS version does not. This is from a posting by Dave Cowl: Type of Difference British EMI US/Japan CBS =====================...=====================...======================== Extra . Surgeon:"Drill" . drill . Man:"Oh God!" . Wake up.. . . Extra . Wife:"What border? . Uh, what border . Go back to sleep" . . . Extra bit after Arabs . Arab:"Don't cut the . with knives . woman Mohammed, . . I want the woman" . . . Extra line . You've got to admit . . it was wrong what . . you did. . . . Difference . oder drinken Mehr Ha . oder drinken bier, ha . . Extra from Clerk . Room Clerk:"Goodnight . Keys bit . Sir" . . . Extra in Stay with . Woman:"No...I'm . Me! bit . sleeping" . . . Lost bit . 4 lines of Sexual . . Revolution Missing . . . Extra . . (Thunder) . . Difference . And trailed our.. . And we trailed our.. . . Extra . ...gets two presents" . . (Man pauses to light . . a joint) . . . Difference . Jump says Yoko . Jump says Yoko Ono . "Oh No!... . . . Extra . Trucker:"Hey...Turn . . the fucking Juke Box . . Down" . . . Difference . In the company of has . In the company of . beens In bent backs . has beens and bent . In sleeping . backs and sleeping . . . Under tube trains in . Under tube trains and . commuter accidents . commuter accidents . . Difference . On loading ramps . On unloading ramps . . Difference . Then the moment of . And the moment of . clarity. . clarity . . I thought this would be of interest. The most amusing part is that in the music book, the listed lyrics are the British ones, but the words against the music are the CBS lyrics. Weird, huh! [+] 12. "What does the morse code on _Radio KAOS_ say?" The cover is pretty easy to decipher -- it says: ROGER WATERS RADIO KAOS WHO NEEDS INFORMATION THE POWERS THAT BE HOME THE TIDE IS TURNING RADIO WAVES The morse code at the beginning and end of the album is harder to decipher. It's worth it, though, because it contains a deleted verse from "The Tide is Turning." There's also other bits of code scattered throughout the album. Here's what people have been able to figure out, from Douglas Whisler, A.G. Spencer and David Truckenmiller: - "turning Syl" (beginning of album) - "macho bullshit and mediocrity oh tide" (end of album) - "it is they that must fight and die ... Herbert Hoover" (end of "Who Needs Information") - "dock ... oh time(?) is turning ... the party's over but you are not" (during the "I don't like fish" speech) See the next question for a partial explanation... [-] 13. "What is the 'Lost Verse' to 'The Tide is Turning'?" There was supposed to be another verse to this song, but it was removed because Waters was worried about lawsuits. He did, however, sing part of it (the last two lines) during some live concerts. The lyrics are: Now the past is over but you are not alone Together we'll fight Sylvester Stallone We will not be dragged down in his South China Sea of macho bullshit and mediocrity This is also who Waters refers to later in the song when he sings "The tide is turning, Sylvester." [-] 14. "What is said at the very beginning/end of _Radio KAOS_?" This is taken from Q&A in TAP (#53): According to "Psycho Pink" Eric Wayne Morrison (Colorado Springs), it's "...back to the beginning" and "That's...". [-] 15. "Who is having that pilot/tower conversation in 'Learning to Fly'?" That's Nick Mason, who recently received a pilot's license. I believe that David Gilmour is his co-pilot. The conversation is an actual conversation between Nick and the tower, during one of his first solo flights. [+] 16. "Wasn't there talk of a KAOS 2?" Roger liked the KAOS concept so much that, during a break in the KAOS tour, he began writing material for a new album about Billy and Jim, to be called "Amused to Death." At one subsequent KAOS show, Roger said he would play some new material from KAOS 2; the only "new" material played was "Fish Report with a Beat" and "Going to Live in LA." So I guess Roger had pegged the latter song, at least, for use on the new project (it had originally been written for the KAOS album). The album was rumored to be ready for release in early 1989, and included a Gerald Scarfe cover that depicted three familliar musicians drowning in a giant martini glass. But the album was reportedly rejected by the record company, and later on by Waters himself. What happened next is a matter of speculation. In a Rockline interview at the time of ATD's release, Waters said he had been putting the songs together for the past four or five years (interupted, presumably, by his work on the "Ca Ira" project). Another article notes that most of the album was written and conceived before the Gulf War. So one might assume that at least some of the KAOS 2 material was worked into the new, "TV-concept" _Amused to Death_. But we don't know for sure... [*] 17. "Weren't there a lot of problems at the _Wall in Berlin_ concert?" Problems were probably inevitable at such a large-scale, one-shot performance. The concert started smoothly enough, with the introductory acts (The Hooters, in case you were wondering why they're credited, along with James Galway and The Band, plus a German group) and the Scorpions' performance of "In the Flesh." But the microphones died completely during "The Thin Ice" -- Roger just waved at the crowd and did a little tap dance to keep them entertained. They got the mics working again mid-way through "Another Brick, pt.1," but only at low power; the crowd periodically screamed "louder, louder!" Full power was finally restored for "Empty Spaces," and continued without a hitch for the rest of the show. The other well-known blooper was on Sinead O'Connor's rendition of "Mother." As I understand it (second hand), as The Band began to sing the chorus, she lost her place in the song and began to sing the next verse! These mistakes were "cleaned up" on the album and video releases by splicing in footage from the previous day's dress rehearsal, and from am emergency re-do of the entire concert the company did, right after the official performance. [-] 18. "Who were Alf Razzell and Bill Hubbard?" The voice in ATD of somebody trying to rescue a comrade are those of Alf Razzell, a WWI veteran. Here's a (small) bit of background to his story (appparently from the same TV special from which Waters took the sound bites): Alf Razzell had the job of collecting the dead soldier's pocket-books, whatever they are, (some kind of ID thing I expect) and usually the corpse had to be rolled over to get it out of the top pocket. You would then see why the man had died. There were guys with empty brain cavities, faces blown off, limbs blown off and half the time he was walking through intestines of dead men. The Germans picked up Alf and took him to the trenches where he found Bill. The Germans would not help at all. Bill had a large hole in his back exposing his intestines and it was dirty with oil, chalk and all kind of shit from the trenches. The Germans wanted Alf to take him back and to be quick about it but due to the injuries Bill couldn't stand it and with the Germans getting impatient and abusive, he decided that he would have to leave him behind. Bummer. Its not all that gory. Alf looks in pretty good condition for a 90 odd year old. He reckons war is completely unnecessary. At the end of any war, everyone sits around a table and comes to some agreement. Why don't they do that before the war instead? [-] 19. "What's the backwards message in 'Perfect Sense' say?" It's really (REALLY) difficult to decipher, so it's impossible to be 100% certain about all the words. But having said that, here's something that at least conveys the basic point, from the ATD Transcript: Julia, (pause) however, (pause - 2nd thunder in normal direction) In the light and visions of the issues of Stanley, (pause) we changed our minds. (pause) We have decided to include a backward message, (pause - 1st thunder in normal direction) Stanley, (pause) for you, (pause) and for all the other book (short pause) partners. [very loud, noisy, screamed sentence] The story goes like this: Waters had asked Stanley Kubrick if he could use some lines and "breathing effects" from his "2001: A Space Odyssey" film on the album. Specifically, Waters wanted to include the part about HAL's shutdown [from the ATD songbook]: HAL: Dave, my mind is going...I can feel it...I can feel it...My mind is going...There is no question about it...I can feel it...I can feel it...I can feel it...I'm afraid... Mr. Kubrick refused. So Waters dubbed in his own breathing effects, and recorded a nasty message for Kubrick's benefit. Heaven only knows if he's heard it, or more importantly, if he cares. [-] 20. "What do the Arabic words in 'Late Home Tonight' mean?" [Translation courtesy of Fady Alajaji:] Some of the phrases were really hard to grasp because they were being spoken very quickly in the background of the high tempo beating drums. Anyway I tried my best and here is the translation (although not very accurate) of what I could grasp: 1) At the end of the song, while Roger is singing the following: "And in Tripoli, another ordinary wife [....] in the street below" a woman is shouting in the background in egyptian arabic. Apparently she is complaining to her husband and blaming him for her sufferings. Her words run as follows: ".... And then what !!!! why don't you ever help me ? you all the time leave me alone at home and go join your fat friends in your endless useless discussions.... I work for you and your family from dawn to dusk, and you don't give a damn ! I badly need to rest, I just wish the devil's angel will soon come and take me with him......" 2) Then the beating drums start, and here everything is very chaotic. There are different voices in the background. I was able to distinguish a TV (or radio) commentator talking (but I can't get what he's saying) and at the same time there is a crowd shouting slogans in arabic. I could not grasp all their words. This what I could get: "..... is Great;.......is Great; God is great........ Death, Death , Death to the ..... (imperialists ?)..." I am not sure if the last word is "imperialists". Anyway you get the meaning. I think it's kind of a demonstration of fundamentalist muslims. However I'm not really sure. 3) At the end of the beating drums, right before the missile explosion, the voice of the TV commentator becomes more clear, and he says the following: ".....his days are rarely spent at home....as for her, she stays alone, she stays alone at home..... while all the men are out gathered at the squarre, she's left to loneliness and (oblivion ?)................BBBBBOOOOOOOOUUUUMMMMMMM" That's it folks. I want to point out that this translation is not completely accurate, and it's not completely word by word. Arabic cannot be translated word by word into English because it won't make any sense. However, overall I think the translation is 90% accurate. By the way I think Roger got these arabic phrases from an Egyptian movie and mixed them into his song. I am certain the arabic is Egyptian arabic and not Lybian arabic as it was meant to be ; since this song is supposed to be about the bombing of the Lybian capital, Tripoli. [+] 21. "Why does Waters hate Andrew Lloyd Webber?" [With much help from Adam Floro:] In general, he just doesn't like ALW's music, and doesn't mind saying so. But specifically, there's a section of Webber's _Phantom of the Opera_ that bears a marked similarity to a part of "Echoes." The opening notes to the "Overture" of _Phantom_ (Track 2, Disc 1) are C# C B Bb A C#. This matches rather closely a section of "Echoes," approximately 6:06 to 6:16. While Waters was less than pleased with this similarity, echoesians have pointed out that such a chromatic pattern is fairly common; by no means a Floyd invention. However, the relevent dates make the charge of plaigarism at least possible, if not really likely -- Webber first used the riff in question on the film "Gumshoe," released in December 1971. _Meddle_ was released on 11 November, 1971, with the live debut of "Echoes" having occurred on April 22. [-] 22. "What does the title 'Amused to Death' refer to?" Television. Specifically, a book by Neil Postman, called "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business." It's apparently a very well-received book, and worth reading. Publishing information, for anyone interested: (cloth: New York: Viking, 1985; ISBN: 0670804541) (paper: New York: Penguin, 1986; ISBN: 0140094385) |
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